Comments for Agile Testing with Lisa Crispin

Comment on “Where Should I Start Looking….” by lcrispin

lcrispin — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:43:01 +0000

And even after all these years, it can be hard to do. For this last go-round of solving an automation problem, we wrote a story to research automation solutions, and it was kind of like everyone was waiting for someone else to take the initiative. But, someone finally did and then we were off and running.

Comment on “Where Should I Start Looking….” by Jon Kruger

Jon Kruger — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:53:39 +0000

+1 to having the developers code the automation, we’ve been doing that way and it’s going well. But like you said, getting the whole team to think about testing has been of the utmost importance.

Comment on Using the Agile Testing Quadrants by Упорядочиваем виды тестирования - Agile Testing Quadrants | Open Space

Упорядочиваем виды тестирования - Agile Testing Quadrants | Open Space — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:44:57 +0000

[...] принадлежит Brian Marick, а затем былы доработана Lisa Crispin, которая является одним из авторов упомянутой книги. [...]

Comment on A Product Owner’s Perspective by Steveland Daniels

Steveland Daniels — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:43:36 +0000

One could also argue the same for testers, the more they test the product, the more familiar they become with the product.

Therefore, they could miss the more obvious things as time goes by. That’s why when someone new joins a testing team, they go ‘Is this an error/defect’ and you go, “Yes, it is..wonder how I missed that’ – Not saying it happens all the time, but I think the same dangers can exist.

Comment on A Product Owner’s Perspective by Gil Zilberfeld

Gil Zilberfeld — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:09:49 +0000

Krystian,

First, let’s not generalize. Different developers have different experience levels, and so may give the needed feedback for what we consider either entry or expert level.

Most developers do take the happy path. The thing is, when using test first, like our team does, you find that you cover a lot of unhappy ones upfront. Can’t say we don’t have bugs (I wish), but as long as everyone is in a quality-first state of mind, I feel we’re doing fine.

Finally, since we have the support rotation, the developers are actually exposed and communicate with customers. I found that if we the customers are hurting, they will tell us straight in the face. And there’s something “magical” about interaction with customers – it’s an eye opener. So I have cases where the developers try to convince me (sometimes succesfully to fix something or build a feature for the customers that actually requested it.

Overall, I feel that working incremently, listening to customers, and responding quickly, the story moves away from product quality to customer experience. I think the latter is more important and the best one for us.

Gil Zilberfeld
Typemock

Comment on A Product Owner’s Perspective by lcrispin

lcrispin — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:22:40 +0000

Krystian, thanks for your comment. The developers on Gil’s team are also customers of the product, but you make a good point that they are now expert users and may not be able to understand the beginner user experience. I hope Gil will comment on this.

Comment on A Product Owner’s Perspective by Krystian Kaczor

Krystian Kaczor — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:37:33 +0000

I do not believe that developers can plan for beginner user experience of the product they build. When developers build a product they tend to do happy path testing forgetting about unexpected behavior and more creative ways of using the software. That’s why you need testers on project. Numbers of Test Cases and line coverage don’t say anything about quality o the tests.

Comment on Agile Testing book by Apprenticeship | Markus Gärtner

Apprenticeship | Markus Gärtner — Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:48:48 +0000

[...] weeks earlier I ran over the idea as a tester to work on-site for your end customer in Lisa Crispin’s and Janet Gregory’s book. From the viewpoint of a tester I would be able to follow the mission to deliver working software [...]

Comment on What I’d Go Back And Tell Myself – Part 1 by What I’d go back and tell myself | Markus Gärtner

What I’d go back and tell myself | Markus Gärtner — Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:48:33 +0000

[...] Crispin motivated this morning an entry on What I’d go back and tell myself. Compared to Lisa I would like to get back a few years more towards my time in university that [...]

Comment on Test Libraries and Frameworks by Testing Libraries vs. Frameworks | Markus Gärtner

Testing Libraries vs. Frameworks | Markus Gärtner — Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:48:11 +0000

[...] Lisa Crispin reported last week on the difference between Test Libraries and Frameworks. When reading her blog entry I felt the urge to comment to it on the approach we used at work for our two-step based testing functions. In the end I figured that I quiet had not understood the point on where the difference between test libraries and frameworks might be. Here is the comment I made to the blog-entry: Since I’m working in the specialized business of mobile phone rating and billing, we introduced our own framework for testing. During the last year we switched our legacy test cases, that were fragile and suffering from high maintenance costs, to a FIT based approach. We came up with two steps for this. [...]